Just as a follow up. The friend I told you guys about did indeed purchase the game. Actually he purchased both games at the same time. APF 2K8 and Madden 08. He has about one game of Madden but has been playing APF to death. I was tearing him to pieces early on but I've created a monster. He's really REALLY good now. Although I can still lay the wood down on him if need be.