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Old 01-05-2007, 03:31 PM
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Xbox 360 Zephyr... with HDMI!

The second Xbox 360 revealed: codename Zephyr - Engadget

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Ever wonder why Microsoft hasn't released an HDMI cable for the Xbox 360, or whether the AV port was really capable of digital out? Well, here's your answer: we landed pictures of what appears to be the second Xbox 360 -- the Xbox 360 v2, if you will -- codenamed Zephyr. (The original Xbox 360, if you recall, was codenamed Xenon.) The long rumored about and awaited update to the console won't just feature a new, cooler 65nm processor, it's also finally added an HDMI port for full digital 1080p pleasure, as well as a 120GB drive, just what the doctor ordered. The 120GB drive may or may not come bundled with the kit, we don't yet know, just as we also don't yet know how much a Zephyr 360 is going to run (we imagine it'll go for the same price as currently so they can keep up a little on their expanding margin). But our very kind Xbox insider seemed happy to let us know we'd be able to get them "soon."
I hate to say it but... DAMN MICROSOFT! This appears to be an even bigger dick move than when Nintendo revealed the GBA SP on January 14th. Everyone with their shiny new 360s for christmas are letting out a collective "the hell?" Okay, a bit of an exaggeration.

This is great that Microsoft is stepping up to acknowledge the need for HDMI for true 1080p output. Especially considering, due to the hollywood standards, many HDTVs actually lock out 1080p unless the signal comes from an HDMI cable. But the question that remains now is, what about all those people who already own a 360 (like myself)? It's unlikely that we'll see a discount on the upgrade (esepcially considering the same price I would spend on a Microsoft 20GB HD equals a 160GB for my PS3). In fact, while Engadget is expecting a static price, I'd say this is the often mentioned prelaunch "third option" with a price likely comparable to the baseline PS3.

One thing is certain, though. While the media and websites don't consider PS3 a threat to 360, Microsoft obviously does. I can't help but think how the consumers will feel in the inevitable arms race to continue.
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Old 01-05-2007, 04:37 PM
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The second Xbox 360 revealed: codename Zephyr - Engadget



I hate to say it but... DAMN MICROSOFT! This appears to be an even bigger dick move than when Nintendo revealed the GBA SP on January 14th. Everyone with their shiny new 360s for christmas are letting out a collective "the hell?" Okay, a bit of an exaggeration.

This is great that Microsoft is stepping up to acknowledge the need for HDMI for true 1080p output. Especially considering, due to the hollywood standards, many HDTVs actually lock out 1080p unless the signal comes from an HDMI cable. But the question that remains now is, what about all those people who already own a 360 (like myself)? It's unlikely that we'll see a discount on the upgrade (esepcially considering the same price I would spend on a Microsoft 20GB HD equals a 160GB for my PS3). In fact, while Engadget is expecting a static price, I'd say this is the often mentioned prelaunch "third option" with a price likely comparable to the baseline PS3.

One thing is certain, though. While the media and websites don't consider PS3 a threat to 360, Microsoft obviously does. I can't help but think how the consumers will feel in the inevitable arms race to continue.
We will see if they unveil the new 360 at CES. With so many rumors floating around about HDMI, I did not cover this on purpose..

1080p is not really needed.. Sony has overblown 1080p completely as all they really want to sell 1080p Bravia's. To enjoy 1080p at the average/recommended viewing distance (8 to 10 feet), you must have a display that is 70 inches or more. Anything less is wasting pixels as the eye cannot tell the difference on smaller screens due to pixel size. All of these 37 and 42 inch 1080p HDTV's are useless unless you plan to sit less then 3 feet from the display. Everyone needs to learn to enjoy 720/1080i. Good 1080i sources are nearly identical to 1080p (as they come from the same source). This is more about MS adding "digital connectivity" then supporting 1080p. The first decision they made was the smarter one as they have given HDMI time to settle (some handshake bugs still exist). Sony's rush to support HDMI resulted in their oversight of "no scaler" in the PS3 (which was far more important - bad business move).

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Old 01-05-2007, 06:19 PM
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There are still so many unanswered questions and most of them are surrounded by the upgrade path for early adopters. There are a lot of loyal 360 fans who want some of the new features and if they include a HD-DVD drive I may crap myself.

-I for one would like the 120GB hard drive so there better be one sold separately and my current 360 better be able to support the larger drive.

-If we do upgrade to the larger hard drive how do we get all of the information over to the new drive.......in store machine? Send it back to MS for upgrade?

-Out of the entire page the one thing that sticks out to me is the cooler processor. Everyone I have ever talked to who owns a 360 mentions heat as an issue and this would eliminate the need for budget cooling fan contraptions like the one I bought from Nyko.

Above all there needs to be a way for us to trade in our older units for a discount on the new release to keep the peace and maintain loyalty.
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Old 01-07-2007, 03:46 AM
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We will see if they unveil the new 360 at CES. With so many rumors floating around about HDMI, I did not cover this on purpose..

1080p is not really needed.. Sony has overblown 1080p completely as all they really want to sell 1080p Bravia's. To enjoy 1080p at the average/recommended viewing distance (8 to 10 feet), you must have a display that is 70 inches or more. Anything less is wasting pixels as the eye cannot tell the difference on smaller screens due to pixel size. All of these 37 and 42 inch 1080p HDTV's are useless unless you plan to sit less then 3 feet from the display. Everyone needs to learn to enjoy 720/1080i. Good 1080i sources are nearly identical to 1080p (as they come from the same source). This is more about MS adding "digital connectivity" then supporting 1080p. The first decision they made was the smarter one as they have given HDMI time to settle (some handshake bugs still exist). Sony's rush to support HDMI resulted in their oversight of "no scaler" in the PS3 (which was far more important - bad business move).

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You see, for you, 1080p isn't needed. However, at my work, I keep to play with a ton of high end projectors and once I do finally drop the money for one, you best believe I'm not going to 70", more like 14'...

Okay, granted, I did tend to bash a bit but still it's kinda a hard pill to swallow. There is no news whether or not the feature will be added to older machines via an adapter (although most hardware websites claim such a device would not work) or not. At least in most previous system generational, it was a matter of performance, not key features. In fact, I believe the only generaional upgrade which had new features was the SCPH-3001 series on the original Playstation which included a number of visualization effects. But since hardly anyone knew about it, let alone praised it, Sony chopped it from further revisions.
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