Some of us (a few) are VERY level headed when it came to the format war that just ended. US smart ones know that HD-DVD WAS THE BETTER FORMAT and lost by way of special interest and BIG $$$ which lead to the REMOVAL of CHOICE for the CONSUMER. Yes, the consumer did NOT decide this WAR. Many of you brainwashed delusional BLU supporters will argue that the pathetic 2 to 1 software lead that BLU had said everything, but that is FALSE LOGIC. When you have a 10+ to 1 hardware lead but can ONLY manage a 2 to 1 software lead, you are a FAILURE. Especially when you had overwhelming studio and hardware support. HD-DVD was holding its own, and then some. HD-DVD owners were buying movies in greater numbers then their BLU counterparts on a per machine basis. In fact, many (not all) PS3 owners purchased the console as a gamer machine FIRST, then bought a movie here and there because they COULD not because they were dying to own a BLU player.

Then we have WB who USED A LAME reason for dropping HD-DVD. If the economy was their main concern, they would have kept both formats till ONE clear winner emerged but instead they LIED, took money and SCREWED the consumer out of making the choice of which format was truly worthy. This is called FORCING a WINNER. And if you believe different, you obviously have perception issues and also probably believe Columbus was first to America. HD-DVD provided everything the consumer needed in low price, great visuals, ONE SPEC (not 3 like BLU), Good use of Interactive features, no region coding and the cool ass Combo Disk which lead to the format being Consumer Friendly, a product that Joe Six Pack understood and could afford. Now, let the shit talking being because I know you ass kissing BLU Fans are dying to talk MADD SMACK and justify why you played the "sheep" for the "Herder" (BLU Group).

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LOL....WOW!!! it seems as though i start every reply out with that lately...HAHA...


http://www.hidef.com/news-items/2148...750-000-a.html

in that article you stated that PS3 sales do not count..."Sure with the PS3 there are like 5 million+ Blu-Ray Players (worldwide) but PS3 sales are not included as part of Home Player sales figures (which is where growth is measured)." yet now you want to say that they do count...even discounting that article im sure if i looked in your site for all of about 30 seconds i could find 40 other links saying the same thing...LOL...so i guess your giving yourself a mulligan on that one?

LOL...and then you say WB had a lame excuse? you mean they took money just like paramount did when they went HD DVD exclusive? and lets not forget about universal also... WHO CARES...if someone dangles that sort of cash in front of your face and you were calling the shots at Warner dont even try to say you wouldnt have done the same thing...not only do you get the cash, you also sway the war in favor of blu thus causing every studio to join along with you...that cash they got was just the cherry on top! the cash along with a 2 to 1 software lead and PS3 starting to gather steam, hell, they would have been stupid not to take it.

i really think the main reason toshiba didnt sell as many HDDVD players was because up until about christmas time there were no end caps in stores...i RARELY saw an end cap with a TV and a HDDVD player running a movie until around chistmas time of 2007...ill use this example...keep in mind im talking about the "average joe" in this example...would Mr. Average Joe EVER go to an electronics store and buy a tv that he wasnt able to see an active picture on? HELL NO...most people dont want to buy something, especially electronics, without being able to see or hear what it can do...every time i go into Frys or Best Buy i see people shuffling back and forth between tvs asking each other "which one do you think looks better." if they cant see it why would they buy it? blu ray had the marketing machine behind it...it was on end caps, it was at the front of every store right when you walked in, it was in the sunday paper, it was in the PS3...so i guess without all that BS in this paragraph u could just say it short and sweet, marketing marketing, marketing...hell, if it werent for marketing Bose wouldnt be around now would they? LOL

you can call it forcing a winner, not earning it, WHO CARES...LOL...it really doesnt matter...its a little plastic disc with a name on top of it that comes in a plastic box that you take home and put in a bigger plastic box thats connected to a tv which then delivers what every one of us bought HDDVD or Bluray for in the first place...THE MOVIE...they both deliver PQ that is THE SAME (and please no rants on that...HAHA) along with AQ that is the same...granted some discs look better than others but u get the point.

now everyone who was in the HD camp, its time to bend over and take big helping of Blu Ray!!!! YAY!!!!

The comment is about PS3 NOT counting toward neilson and other data gathered is the point not that it did not matter in the overall picture and in the END the PS3 did not matter as much as the $$$. Either way, using a console to win a optical disk battle is crowdardly.. Sony basically admitted that BLU could NOT survive without the PS3, that is a JOKE and shows the confidence level of the company... You assume I was simply referring to one SINGLE factor and that is not the case.

And yes choice does MATTER. People should alway choose and not be chosen FOR. If you like being lead around like a dog, cool.. But I do not.. And the fact that they lag on supporting certain features and what not does MATTER as we are paying a premium for this stuff and we deserve the best. Not medicore releases and first year high prices..

And dude, audio is NOT the same. Uncompressed audio has too much bass, lacks balance in other frequencies compared to a TrueHD track and is a WASTE of space. Matters a lot... And do not get me started on MPEG-4, for the exception of a few titles, YUCK! Do not forget that the SONY leader of BLU lead the pack at the releaes of BLU with the awful MPEG2 and could not get their own player released until 6 months later. In fact Sony has re-release several of those titles in MPEG2 since their intial releases were complete and total garbage. Then the only BLU player (Samsung) on the market at launch was soft on images and Sony threw them under the bus (nice way to treat your partner).

You love to support these clowns? Love giving your hard earned money to THOSE who do NOT deserve it? To each his OWN!

And dude, the average JOE is attracted to two things most of ALL: Easy to understand and PRICE. Yes, low price.. Ever heard of it? Once again, you miss the point. HD-DVD implies simply that: High Definition DVD. BLU-RAY is a MYSTERY to a lot of people which leads to a need for an explaination to WHAT it is. This marketing problem of having to call BLU-RAY by "BLU-RAY Hidef" or "Hidef BLU-RAY" will haunt them and their marketing campaign for some time.

Need me to state the obvious for you again, let me know..

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No...Species you have it all wrong. Price is a big factor, Blu-Ray IS better because it's more expensive...hence less features and such.

I'll be enjoying HD-DVD on my 120" projection screen for a long time to come, I won't even think about buying Blu until MS comes out with an all in one player or an add-on.
I'm actually one of the few...I've never owned a stand alone DVD player. I do buy my console to watch movies, I like less clutter, but since the PS3 holds little interest to me...I won't be getting one of those anytime soon. I don't have enough time for my 360 let alone a PS3.

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You still go on and on about how having a choice is good for the consumer, and that the "removal" of HD DVD is like the downfall of society.

You should honestly read this book,
The Paradox of Choice: Why More is Less, and find out why having too much choice leads to confusion, frustration, regret, etc, all of which could have been seen during this HD format war. After you finish reading it, then come back and tell everyone that having more choice is better.

And again, you're using the same arguments that the HD DVD group uses when talking about players sold or attach rates. When talking about players sold, the HD DVD group does not include the PS3, otherwise HD DVD would look bad. When talking about attach rates, HD DVD does include the PS3 in attach rate calculations, otherwise HD DVD would look bad.

Why not look at it the other way?
The PS3 + Blu-ray standalones outsold any amount of HD DVD stand-alones + XBOX 360 add-ons.
The attach rates for Blu-ray standalones is MUCH HIGHER than HD DVD attach rate stand-alones, because the PS3 doesn't count, since "many PS3 owners" don't really use it as a Blu-ray player, but a games machine first.

And as for Warner moving over to the Blu-ray side, you said it was for a LAME REASON. You don't think Toshiba/Microsoft was offering them money too? If they moved over to HD DVD for the reason of money alone, that would make them equally as lame. Whatever move Warner would have made would have been lame, depending on who's side you're on.

If that's the case, you must think UNIVERSAL, PARAMOUNT, DREAMWORKS, FOX, DISNEY are also ALL LAME for being EXCLUSIVE. If any of those companies had ANY ECONOMIC SENSE, then they would have been ALL NEUTRAL.

Don't be mad at just Warner then, be also mad at all the other exclusive studios, because without their support for a specific format, Warner's move wouldn't have as much of an impact in this whole format war. It's the combined exclusive studio support that shifted the tides, and it just so happens that Warner helped tipped the scale, it could have easily been any other studio.

Really, I don't see why you are still upset about this whole thing. There are FAR many more people who are relieved that this format war is over, and then there's people like you.

As for HD DVD advantages
low price - prices for BD were within $50 of HD DVD, not including firesales like they had during Christmas. And as long as you are so concerned about economic viability, barely any other 3rd party manufacturer wanted to jump into HD DVD because they would be taking a LOSS compared to the prices Toshiba were selling them for.

great visuals - this is a moot point since the visuals are nearly the same on both formats

ONE SPEC - HD DVD wins on that one, especially with upgradability. However, HD DVD, even though it had a standard spec, still required firmware updates since some players had issues playing discs with certain features. Blu-ray on the other hand, with lower profiles will not be able to access the features of the higher profiles, but they can at least play the movie, which is the biggest reason why you are buying the disc

good use of interactive features - Though HD DVD has a standard spec, not all HD DVD movies have interactive features, not all have web-access, and the same goes for Blu-ray, not all movies have interactive features, and currently none have web-access. However, most people don't buy a player for its multitude of features, people buy a player to do its basic function, playing the movie. It's like the PS3 and XBOX 360 vs the Wii. The PS3 and XBOX 360 have a tonne of features, whereas the Wii is lacking, but the Wii is selling much faster than the other two because it does one thing well, play the games. Same story between the PSP and DS... and the same story with Blu-ray and HD DVD. No one cares about the features as much as you think they do.

Region encoding - Blu-ray has only 3 regions for their movies vs 7 regions for standard DVD. Blu-ray's region "A" includes the Americas, East and Southeast Asia (ie Japan). Honestly I don't really buy movies from overseas, so I could care less about this. You seem to care so it may be extremely important to you since you seem to watch most of your films from foreign countries.

Combo discs - I don't see how Joe six pack would go for this. They look at the price of the DVD for the movie, then look at the price of the HD DVD combo, and see that the combo is close to twice the price of the DVD, which will they pick up? It's not about whether they can afford it or not, it's more about getting the cheapest. Have you seen the countless number of stories on the internet where you see people buying the $99 HD DVD player and picking up a whole stack of STANDARD DVD's to go with it? Obviously it's something that a common consumer DOESN'T understand.

You are as funny as the rest.. I will not repeat myself but to ANYONE with common sense, they know what is up.. Combo Disks are not cool huh? Rather purchase two versions of the same movie you say? Please, I seriously doubt everyone has more than one HD player in the home which means to watch on players you need to have an SD version. Unless you live alone, this will be a factor for many.

The majority of HD-DVD support the features, please do not try to say otherwise. Just about every release has PIP In-movie experience and many how have web interactive which just started to gain popularity. Again, you misguides or in denial. You choose.

And without the fire sale, HD-DVD prices were already on the decline. The format was poise for a 99.00 NORMAL price point this year. Fire sale or no Fire sale, HD-DVD was heading in the right direction for mass adaption and at a faster rate than DVD. You really think BLU is gonna grow quickly with the high prices and NO NEED to be competitive? NO.. Go ahead, find a lame reason to combat this...

Region coding is important to many who love to acquire foreign films of all types. Not a huge deal to many but important enough. Region coding is restrictive and we deserve more than constantly being told what to do with our own money.

Back to your PS3 comments, if the PS3 did not exist, BLU would have had NO Chance. The sales are mostly "addon", period. Addon sales are not the same as dedicated sales and YES HD-DVD software sales on a per machine basis FAR outdistance that of the BLU. In fact, before the release of the PS3, HD-DVD lead in software sales which was HD-DVD Player vs Multiple BLU Players from various manufactures. My comments about the PS3 not count is essentially this. The PS3 was counted before either format launched. That is why the studio support was lopsided. THIS IS A FACT! To those of us that keep things in prospective, the PS3 is NOT count as the was a means for Sony to force the format on the masses.

Keep up the comments as you guys are only reinforcing my "sheep" theory..

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oh boy...i feel like im smack dab in the middle of the dorkiest episode of jerry springer EVER MADE...lol...it really doesnt matter that Sony stood no chance without blu ray in the PS3...it really doesnt matter that HDDVD was going to have $100 players as the norm this year...it doesnt matter that MS gave people a choice to buy HDDVD or to not buy HDDVD with their console...it does not matter that HDDVD had one spec...none of that matter because HDDVD does not exist anymore.

i duno about you guys but to me that means that people must not like choices...they must not like one spec...they must not like $100 players...THEY JUST DONT CARE...MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING...its what always prevails and blu ray had that...thats really the only thing they did have and it won it for them.

i would continue typing but my sheppard is calling me back to the manger...........................................

I still maintain that Species knows little to nothing about AV matters. How else can you explain the "gem of the thread"


NOBODY can be this much of a fanboy clown can they? What the hell are you talking about? Dammit man, my 63 year old father knows more about this than you do.

Species, the only "sheep" here is you, who continues to spout misinformation, fear, uncertainty, and doubt, into the minds of your readers. Why do you wish to continue beating this dead horse?

The only thing they had huh? So all those movie studios putting out more new releases, that just had no effect whatsoever....right? You guys are ridiculous in your bending over backwards to lust after HD DVD, and your willingness to crap all over anything Blu. Move the hell on already and knock off the lies.

it might be a good idea to actually read the entire thread of posts before replying to something next time...wink wink, nod nod